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	<title>Comments on: Spotlight on Casting Director Workshops</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Whitehair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Whitehair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written extensively on my blog about CD workshops, and for my long-winded answer you can read it here: http://playbillsvspayingbills.com/2010/05/26/casting-director-workshops/

At the core of the issue, I think, is that CD workshops really are paying for an audition, which is certainly illegal. With that said, so is speeding and I do it all the time (shhh) so its illegality is not perhaps enough to make a full argument against them. 

I think the problem is that as a whole, the millions of dollars and thousands of hours a year that actors spend on workshops could be spent SOOO much more effectively (join The Actors&#039; Network, pay a full crew to make you an AWESOME demo reel, mail postcards or other mailers to industry people, volunteer at industry events, write an actor blog, join other networking organizations, create your own project, etc.), and beyond that, the practice of going to workshops is detrimental to the community as a whole. It creates an environment where actors are expected to pay for &quot;access.&quot; Beyond that, the VAST majority of actors who attend workshops do not benefit (based on sheer statistics alone), and we&#039;ve created a world where those actors are subsidizing the 1 or 2 actors in any given workshop who perhaps have a legitimate shot at getting an audition in that office...a shot that I would posit they could get anyway via other methods. 

At the end of the day, as a community of so-called creatives I think we can come up with FAR superior ways to put ourselves in front of the people who need us. 

My three cents (adjusted for inflation)...
Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written extensively on my blog about CD workshops, and for my long-winded answer you can read it here: <a href="http://playbillsvspayingbills.com/2010/05/26/casting-director-workshops/" rel="nofollow">http://playbillsvspayingbills.com/2010/05/26/casting-director-workshops/</a></p>
<p>At the core of the issue, I think, is that CD workshops really are paying for an audition, which is certainly illegal. With that said, so is speeding and I do it all the time (shhh) so its illegality is not perhaps enough to make a full argument against them. </p>
<p>I think the problem is that as a whole, the millions of dollars and thousands of hours a year that actors spend on workshops could be spent SOOO much more effectively (join The Actors&#8217; Network, pay a full crew to make you an AWESOME demo reel, mail postcards or other mailers to industry people, volunteer at industry events, write an actor blog, join other networking organizations, create your own project, etc.), and beyond that, the practice of going to workshops is detrimental to the community as a whole. It creates an environment where actors are expected to pay for &#8220;access.&#8221; Beyond that, the VAST majority of actors who attend workshops do not benefit (based on sheer statistics alone), and we&#8217;ve created a world where those actors are subsidizing the 1 or 2 actors in any given workshop who perhaps have a legitimate shot at getting an audition in that office&#8230;a shot that I would posit they could get anyway via other methods. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, as a community of so-called creatives I think we can come up with FAR superior ways to put ourselves in front of the people who need us. </p>
<p>My three cents (adjusted for inflation)&#8230;<br />
Ben</p>
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		<title>By: The Casting Compilation &#171; Brains of Minerva</title>
		<link>http://www.brainsofminerva.com/2009/11/12/acting/spotlight-on-casting-director-workshops/comment-page-1/#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>The Casting Compilation &#171; Brains of Minerva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Spotlight on Casting Director Workshops by Claire Winters [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Casting Director Workshops &#124; ActorRated.com</title>
		<link>http://www.brainsofminerva.com/2009/11/12/acting/spotlight-on-casting-director-workshops/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Casting Director Workshops &#124; ActorRated.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then you are truly missing out). For more information on workshops themselves, please check out this post from Brians Of Minerva, or go search through Bonnie Gillespie&#8217;s blog archives (she will also [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then you are truly missing out). For more information on workshops themselves, please check out this post from Brians Of Minerva, or go search through Bonnie Gillespie&#8217;s blog archives (she will also [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Casting Director Workshops &#171; Playbills vs. Paying Bills</title>
		<link>http://www.brainsofminerva.com/2009/11/12/acting/spotlight-on-casting-director-workshops/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Casting Director Workshops &#171; Playbills vs. Paying Bills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 21:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then you are truly missing out). For more information on workshops themselves, please check out this post from Brians Of Minerva, or go search through Bonnie Gillespie&#8217;s blog archives (she will also [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then you are truly missing out). For more information on workshops themselves, please check out this post from Brians Of Minerva, or go search through Bonnie Gillespie&#8217;s blog archives (she will also [...]</p>
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		<title>By: just4actors</title>
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		<dc:creator>just4actors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this!  I mentioned your review a new blog http://just4actors.blogspot.com/ that is dedicated to getting us actors to share more about our experiences with the controversial cd workshops.  

i totally appreciate the comments from anonymous.  i think this is very real.  i just attended a workshop the other day where the cd said point blank that he doesn&#039;t refer to the headshots from workshops very much at all.  

Well more on that at http://just4actors.blogspot.com/

hope you&#039;ll check it out.  and thanks again!

Success4Actors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this!  I mentioned your review a new blog <a href="http://just4actors.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://just4actors.blogspot.com/</a> that is dedicated to getting us actors to share more about our experiences with the controversial cd workshops.  </p>
<p>i totally appreciate the comments from anonymous.  i think this is very real.  i just attended a workshop the other day where the cd said point blank that he doesn&#8217;t refer to the headshots from workshops very much at all.  </p>
<p>Well more on that at <a href="http://just4actors.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://just4actors.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>hope you&#8217;ll check it out.  and thanks again!</p>
<p>Success4Actors!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are some of the other workshops most actors like?  I&#039;d love to know where the good ones are and which ones hire the most actors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are some of the other workshops most actors like?  I&#8217;d love to know where the good ones are and which ones hire the most actors?</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Workshops - all workshops - are a lazy, uninspired path to mediocrity.  Are you a &quot;workshop actor&quot;?  If you do workshops, it&#039;s likely that that&#039;s exactly what casting directors are calling you.  Workshops are not unlike paying for a date.  Do they like you...?  Or do they like your money?  It&#039;s an embarrassing position for an actor to be put in.

But it&#039;s not the actors fault.  The greedy, arrogant casting community exploits the acting community.  Because they can.  When you stop paying, they&#039;ll stop charging.

Actors - who are the ones who can least afford the expense of these &quot;workshops&quot; - are paying the rent and car payments or underpaid casting assistants.  They should be paying you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Workshops &#8211; all workshops &#8211; are a lazy, uninspired path to mediocrity.  Are you a &#8220;workshop actor&#8221;?  If you do workshops, it&#8217;s likely that that&#8217;s exactly what casting directors are calling you.  Workshops are not unlike paying for a date.  Do they like you&#8230;?  Or do they like your money?  It&#8217;s an embarrassing position for an actor to be put in.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not the actors fault.  The greedy, arrogant casting community exploits the acting community.  Because they can.  When you stop paying, they&#8217;ll stop charging.</p>
<p>Actors &#8211; who are the ones who can least afford the expense of these &#8220;workshops&#8221; &#8211; are paying the rent and car payments or underpaid casting assistants.  They should be paying you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done all three and I LOVE The Actor&#039;s Key!  They have great casting directors in and the format is the best. I got called in for House a couple weeks ago from their workshop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done all three and I LOVE The Actor&#8217;s Key!  They have great casting directors in and the format is the best. I got called in for House a couple weeks ago from their workshop.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susan &amp; Anonymous - Thanks so much for sharing your perspective. 

Re: Anonymous&#039; comment: 

First, let me begin by saying casting director workshops are in no way a substitute for showcase opportunities such as 99-seat theater, indies, starting an improv troupe, and the myriad other ways actors have been getting their work out there for decades. No casting director/agent workshop night is going to give you the chance to share your work with the idiosyncrasy, depth and relaxation you can achieve through a rehearsal process and/or the process of creating the work. 

Second, not all casting director workshops are created equal &amp; neither are all casting directors! It pains me to hear your anecdote about the Big Office, particularly since it sounds like they were attending workshops themselves! To condescend to the actors who&#039;ve paid them to give them an educational experience makes my blood boil. I suggest we do some smart consumer research before signing up for workshops. Ask friends who&#039;ve interned for an office if they call in actors they&#039;ve met at workshops; ask friends who&#039;ve taken classes with the cd if the feedback is smart &amp; informative and if the cd seems comfortable in the workshop environment; and when you&#039;ve been called in by someone you&#039;ve met at a workshop or just thought it was a truly informative night, let friends &amp; the workshop company know. 

I completely agree with Susan - do what feels right for you. And that will likely change over time. Of the actors whose responses are in the Pros &amp; Cons sections, one is currently recurring on a network series. She has stopped doing workshops but used them aggressively her first couple of years in LA to build the co-star credits that helped secure her current rep. Another has several guest star credits and still workshops frequently because she enjoys it and sees it impact what she&#039;s called in for. 

Anonymous - keep us posted! Let us know your most effective ways, besides workshops, of getting your work out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susan &amp; Anonymous &#8211; Thanks so much for sharing your perspective. </p>
<p>Re: Anonymous&#8217; comment: </p>
<p>First, let me begin by saying casting director workshops are in no way a substitute for showcase opportunities such as 99-seat theater, indies, starting an improv troupe, and the myriad other ways actors have been getting their work out there for decades. No casting director/agent workshop night is going to give you the chance to share your work with the idiosyncrasy, depth and relaxation you can achieve through a rehearsal process and/or the process of creating the work. </p>
<p>Second, not all casting director workshops are created equal &amp; neither are all casting directors! It pains me to hear your anecdote about the Big Office, particularly since it sounds like they were attending workshops themselves! To condescend to the actors who&#8217;ve paid them to give them an educational experience makes my blood boil. I suggest we do some smart consumer research before signing up for workshops. Ask friends who&#8217;ve interned for an office if they call in actors they&#8217;ve met at workshops; ask friends who&#8217;ve taken classes with the cd if the feedback is smart &amp; informative and if the cd seems comfortable in the workshop environment; and when you&#8217;ve been called in by someone you&#8217;ve met at a workshop or just thought it was a truly informative night, let friends &amp; the workshop company know. </p>
<p>I completely agree with Susan &#8211; do what feels right for you. And that will likely change over time. Of the actors whose responses are in the Pros &amp; Cons sections, one is currently recurring on a network series. She has stopped doing workshops but used them aggressively her first couple of years in LA to build the co-star credits that helped secure her current rep. Another has several guest star credits and still workshops frequently because she enjoys it and sees it impact what she&#8217;s called in for. </p>
<p>Anonymous &#8211; keep us posted! Let us know your most effective ways, besides workshops, of getting your work out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great website and great info. The CD article was great. I would disagree with some of Anonymous&#039; comments, though. I&#039;ve been in many workshops where the CD said they only called in people from their workshops list because they do not send to breakdowns. I don&#039;t believe most CDs view the workshops as a downgrade to the actor as so many CDs go to the workshops looking for people. I would say different strokes for different folks - do what feels right for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great website and great info. The CD article was great. I would disagree with some of Anonymous&#8217; comments, though. I&#8217;ve been in many workshops where the CD said they only called in people from their workshops list because they do not send to breakdowns. I don&#8217;t believe most CDs view the workshops as a downgrade to the actor as so many CDs go to the workshops looking for people. I would say different strokes for different folks &#8211; do what feels right for you.</p>
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